<JeremyBorash> When did this heat between you and Netto Cash started?
<Ice> Well, it started...half a year or so after he brought me into IWWF, probably around January-March of 2006. (Which I believe my IWWF debut was September of 2005)
<JeremyBorash> Netto Cash is the person who discovered you?
<Ice> Yes he is.
<JeremyBorash> You were friends for a period of time and then what happened?
<Ice> Umm..apparently he was never my real friend at all. People were telling me that he was playing me for a fool...the reason why I didn't believe them was because it was..people known to be mean such as pixelmixer and acid-trip. Then..around wrestlemania season or such..he just...started to show his true colors. Especially when I was put into a mental institution and he was making fun of it and even went around saying that he or mick-foley was the cause of it. I had other things going on in my life though, so it might have been a cominbation but that's what he went around doing. (such as getting beat up in school for being different in terms of sexuality).
<JeremyBorash> Do you think netto's well known alcohol abuse are a factor in him attacking you for personal issues? What I mean by that is, it seems that when he was sober, he was not that extreme in his bullying.
<Ice> I honestly don't know what it really is..but he even admitted one point that I was weaker and that I was a "fag" so he would never stop. Of course, he still would give me those attacks WHILE he was drunk. So it also could be a factor but..he still would attack me while sober (or identifying as sober) and it would sometimes feel just as bad. If I had to pick which was worse, it's probably when he was sober because he could scheme up plans and execute them.
<JeremyBorash> Did you at one point decided to just start shooting at nettocash the person and not nettocash the i-wrestling character?
<Ice> I actually met him during a time when he was going around as Tony still. And yes I did..I knew he wasn't acting and it sure as hell was not kayfabe. I was just pissed at all of the lies he would spread like me being..a homosexual, or have comitted suicide or making unfair assumptions. If I were to ever leave IWWF he would always announce that I was a coward and that he won or acid-trip won. I was clearly not happy with how he treated me.
<JeremyBorash> There's alot of rumous that it came to a point where he was attacking you outside of i-wrestling. Is it true?
<Ice> Yes he was, he would...take my information and spread it around..he..somehow got a hold of my personal home phone number via. pixelmixer's dirty peoplesearch ways back when I lived with an...abusive guardian and would call..they would call and make them angry and I was getting in more trouble for it. He also hacked my computer and backdoored it, deleting files, screen names and everything and even went around on my screennames, saying vulgar things to people and making them think it was me.
<JeremyBorash> We all know how "Ice" handled the situation by defending himself. How did Louis felt when Louis went to bed the nights you were being abused in a place that let's be honest was surviving and depending on you?
<Ice> Louis...me...I felt terrible how in the end, I was a booker IWWF and I thought people would be willing to listen and work with eachother to make a better company. It then clicked to me that..these people have no morals, no standards and no dedication. It was either, nobody cared that I was getting hurt because of seniority of the abusive, so they didn't want to go against their "friends" OR they confided in secret that they hated how the place was going but they just didn't want nettocash on them.
<JeremyBorash> So they were putting the "clique" before IWWF?
<Ice> Yes, essentially, they were putting the clique before IWWF, that and what JHB tells me is, as much as I also don't like how he treated me, he also said his hands were tied in the fact that nettocash, pixelmixer or anyone he's had history with in IWWF. Yes, it was either you were in the clique or you're not making it in IWWF. Josh Heartbrand TOLD ME himself that nettocash basically runs IWWF. So basically, it was nettocash running the dictatorship and JHB was his puppet.
<JeremyBorash> Why did you wait so long before deciding to leave that place once and for all?
<Ice> Well, I was younger and maybe I thought I had a chance and I thought IWWF was the most professional of the feds around..yes they were a bunch of jackasses but for a time...it DID have a good flow of booking that is until around..2010-2011. and in the EARLY parts of my career in IWWF, it was the only place I knew that had a high profile of the i-wrestling business. I was a part of the I-TNA wrestling federation as well later on but.....I then saw...something in I-TNA..that I was ready to transition to. It had flowing booking, it had the starpower and it wasn't controversal and it was fair by any means. I probably stayed in IWWF so long because I was determined to try to change a place but I was only going against the grain.
<JeremyBorash> Do you still have a big bag of rocks on shoulder about this whole situation with nettocash or is it safe to say that right now you are finally free?
Ice> Honestly it feels like I am FREE AS A BIRD! I haven't been at this level of stability since...wow..I really cannot remember feeling this free from pain. I don't even think about nettocash anymore to this day.
<JeremyBorash> Did you almost do the unthinkable because of this man?
<Ice> I do in fact have an...attempted suicide in my...history...was it soley because of this man? Not necessarly, it was a combination of other things in life of my overall place in the world not being so great and my life pretty much wasted in suffering. It CERTAINLY did not help that whenever I had any free time to go to IWWF that I was being bullied and harassed over there..it does contribute to my mental health.
<JeremyBorash> Why did you choose to go public about being a transgender? And to this day do you regret it?
<Ice> Well, earlier in life, I was just discovering myself and I jumped right out with it. Unfortunately, some people hated it, but SOME were warm and receptive. I DID find places in life where I fitted in but sadly..IWWF was not one of them. Do I regret being public about being a transgendered individual? Absolutely not because it's on the table...take what you get..if you don't like me..that's your problem. Maybe I even inspired some other people to be brave. I'm just an open and honest individual...I could have been less flamboyant I'll admit..but overall I don't regret it.
<JeremyBorash> Well I thank you for being very honest and open about it. If it can help anyone understand how bad it was for you and how bad it is to do stuff like that to another person. If there's something we can learn from your experience, it's that there's always something better in life.
<Ice> No problem, anytime, that's basically the key to this whole journey.
